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	<title>Comments on: One Flesh: Christian Marriage as Nonviolent Sacrament</title>
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		<title>By: Patristic Carnival XXIX &#124; The Church of Jesus Christ</title>
		<link>http://politicaljesus.com/2009/10/14/one-flesh-christian-marriage-as-nonviolent-sacrament/#comment-619</link>
		<dc:creator>Patristic Carnival XXIX &#124; The Church of Jesus Christ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 15:19:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Rodney look at the sacrament of marriage. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Rod</title>
		<link>http://politicaljesus.com/2009/10/14/one-flesh-christian-marriage-as-nonviolent-sacrament/#comment-618</link>
		<dc:creator>Rod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 02:37:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent, thoughts Mike excellent. I like how you think on

this matter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent, thoughts Mike excellent. I like how you think on</p>
<p>this matter.</p>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
		<link>http://politicaljesus.com/2009/10/14/one-flesh-christian-marriage-as-nonviolent-sacrament/#comment-617</link>
		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 14:48:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hahaha, jerk indeed. but, we have keep in mind that the israelites weren&#039;t that far removed from exile, and were starting to get lax in their behavior again. ezra &amp; nehemiah&#039;s legalism was born from a fear that exile could happen again and from a certainty that God demands faithfulness. in other words, we have to understand where their behavior was coming from, though we don&#039;t have to accept it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hahaha, jerk indeed. but, we have keep in mind that the israelites weren&#8217;t that far removed from exile, and were starting to get lax in their behavior again. ezra &amp; nehemiah&#8217;s legalism was born from a fear that exile could happen again and from a certainty that God demands faithfulness. in other words, we have to understand where their behavior was coming from, though we don&#8217;t have to accept it.</p>
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		<title>By: Rod</title>
		<link>http://politicaljesus.com/2009/10/14/one-flesh-christian-marriage-as-nonviolent-sacrament/#comment-616</link>
		<dc:creator>Rod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 03:59:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are welcome Chad. Thanks for asking the good questions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are welcome Chad. Thanks for asking the good questions.</p>
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		<title>By: Chad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 03:43:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you both for this. I knew where I stood with Ezra being a jerk, but I didn&#039;t have the balance which helps contextualize it. Mike, I really like what you said. Great blog page all around!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you both for this. I knew where I stood with Ezra being a jerk, but I didn&#8217;t have the balance which helps contextualize it. Mike, I really like what you said. Great blog page all around!</p>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
		<link>http://politicaljesus.com/2009/10/14/one-flesh-christian-marriage-as-nonviolent-sacrament/#comment-614</link>
		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 20:07:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i even think other biblical books, namely ruth and malachi, address this issue in corrective fashion. what i mean is this: ezra-nehemiah shows us what happened - israelites were told to &quot;put away&quot; their foreign wives, apparently without critically looking at any extenuating (sp?) circumstances.

malachi, however, (written about the same time), condemns the israelites for divorcing the wives of their youth, AFTER condemning them for marrying the daughter of a foreign god (which in context is clearly idolatry - harlotry and infidelity are extremely common prophetic metaphors for idolatry). in other words, the prophet foregrounds idolatry as the main issue with marrying foreigners, not ethnicity.

i take ruth to be from roughly this time period also (several words in ruth are used in ways that only parallel the post-exilic literature, like saying they &quot;took&quot; wives for themselves). if so, it&#039;s also a corrective to ezra &amp; nehemiah&#039;s behavior, for ruth is a moabitess (foreigner, canaanite, &quot;other&quot;) who is actually part of the davidic line (thus messiah&#039;s line). r

so, in line with what rod was saying, the putting away of  foreign wives in ezra-nehemiah seems more descriptive than prescriptive in my opinion. before the exile, it seems adherence to the law was missing. after the exile, we see in ezra-nehemiah the beginnings of some legalistic behavior and a move towards radical separation and distinction from &quot;others.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i even think other biblical books, namely ruth and malachi, address this issue in corrective fashion. what i mean is this: ezra-nehemiah shows us what happened &#8211; israelites were told to &#8220;put away&#8221; their foreign wives, apparently without critically looking at any extenuating (sp?) circumstances.</p>
<p>malachi, however, (written about the same time), condemns the israelites for divorcing the wives of their youth, AFTER condemning them for marrying the daughter of a foreign god (which in context is clearly idolatry &#8211; harlotry and infidelity are extremely common prophetic metaphors for idolatry). in other words, the prophet foregrounds idolatry as the main issue with marrying foreigners, not ethnicity.</p>
<p>i take ruth to be from roughly this time period also (several words in ruth are used in ways that only parallel the post-exilic literature, like saying they &#8220;took&#8221; wives for themselves). if so, it&#8217;s also a corrective to ezra &amp; nehemiah&#8217;s behavior, for ruth is a moabitess (foreigner, canaanite, &#8220;other&#8221;) who is actually part of the davidic line (thus messiah&#8217;s line). r</p>
<p>so, in line with what rod was saying, the putting away of  foreign wives in ezra-nehemiah seems more descriptive than prescriptive in my opinion. before the exile, it seems adherence to the law was missing. after the exile, we see in ezra-nehemiah the beginnings of some legalistic behavior and a move towards radical separation and distinction from &#8220;others.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Rod</title>
		<link>http://politicaljesus.com/2009/10/14/one-flesh-christian-marriage-as-nonviolent-sacrament/#comment-613</link>
		<dc:creator>Rod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 13:35:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is an excellent question, Chad.

I personally hold the Bible in tension as fully trustworthy and uphold a hermeneutic of suspicion. I do not think that Ezra (or Nehemiah) prescribe something that can be universally applied.  I think in light of Galatians 3, that Jesus has conquered barriers between the nations, and that we should understand this story as a warning of the anti-familial nature of ethnocentrism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is an excellent question, Chad.</p>
<p>I personally hold the Bible in tension as fully trustworthy and uphold a hermeneutic of suspicion. I do not think that Ezra (or Nehemiah) prescribe something that can be universally applied.  I think in light of Galatians 3, that Jesus has conquered barriers between the nations, and that we should understand this story as a warning of the anti-familial nature of ethnocentrism.</p>
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		<title>By: Chad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 12:46:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, good article. Question (does his best Dwight Shrute): in this context, how do you interpret the wives (and children) of the Israelites that were sent away by Ezra?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, good article. Question (does his best Dwight Shrute): in this context, how do you interpret the wives (and children) of the Israelites that were sent away by Ezra?</p>
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		<title>By: Christian Marriage as Nonviolent Sacrament? &#124; The Church of Jesus Christ</title>
		<link>http://politicaljesus.com/2009/10/14/one-flesh-christian-marriage-as-nonviolent-sacrament/#comment-611</link>
		<dc:creator>Christian Marriage as Nonviolent Sacrament? &#124; The Church of Jesus Christ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 02:28:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
		<link>http://politicaljesus.com/2009/10/14/one-flesh-christian-marriage-as-nonviolent-sacrament/#comment-610</link>
		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 23:19:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you said protestants tend to treat marriage as a sacrament &quot;ceremonially.&quot; i&#039;m not sure exactly what you mean, but i might counter that america weddings (even protestant ones) are some of the tamest and least ceremonial weddings in world history. think of the wedding in John 2, where entire vats of wine ran out early because the wedding was so long. surely we can&#039;t say our 20 minute weddings and one-day parties are basically like sacraments, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you said protestants tend to treat marriage as a sacrament &#8220;ceremonially.&#8221; i&#8217;m not sure exactly what you mean, but i might counter that america weddings (even protestant ones) are some of the tamest and least ceremonial weddings in world history. think of the wedding in John 2, where entire vats of wine ran out early because the wedding was so long. surely we can&#8217;t say our 20 minute weddings and one-day parties are basically like sacraments, right?</p>
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		<title>By: Rod</title>
		<link>http://politicaljesus.com/2009/10/14/one-flesh-christian-marriage-as-nonviolent-sacrament/#comment-609</link>
		<dc:creator>Rod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 19:32:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great question, Chris.

I think the question of celibacy is a valid one. Now there are some Southern Baptists who argue that marriage is necessary and there is nothing else for the Christian to do but procreate (as Genesis in their eyes commands us).  However, I side with the Patristics on this issue, such as Clement of Alexandria.  Monasticism as you know, was a valid lifestyle for single Christians in early Christianity.  I do not believe that married life is superior (as is taught today) or the celibate life is superior (as what was taught back then). Rather, I seem them as equally valid vocations, both with unique functions.  Lest we forget that the prophet Jeremiah was commanded to remain single so that he did not fall into laxity or Hosea commanded to marry a faithless wife as a sign to Israel. 2 unique callings, from the same God. But your question brings up a good point and it may be a good idea to do a follow-up on this post on singleness and celibacy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great question, Chris.</p>
<p>I think the question of celibacy is a valid one. Now there are some Southern Baptists who argue that marriage is necessary and there is nothing else for the Christian to do but procreate (as Genesis in their eyes commands us).  However, I side with the Patristics on this issue, such as Clement of Alexandria.  Monasticism as you know, was a valid lifestyle for single Christians in early Christianity.  I do not believe that married life is superior (as is taught today) or the celibate life is superior (as what was taught back then). Rather, I seem them as equally valid vocations, both with unique functions.  Lest we forget that the prophet Jeremiah was commanded to remain single so that he did not fall into laxity or Hosea commanded to marry a faithless wife as a sign to Israel. 2 unique callings, from the same God. But your question brings up a good point and it may be a good idea to do a follow-up on this post on singleness and celibacy.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 17:47:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rod!! is this sacrament necessary for everyone? or does it simply function as a sacrament for those who choose to wed? I tend to agree with you. Might as well be a sacrament, we (protestants) sure treat it as one ceremonially. What about the celibate?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rod!! is this sacrament necessary for everyone? or does it simply function as a sacrament for those who choose to wed? I tend to agree with you. Might as well be a sacrament, we (protestants) sure treat it as one ceremonially. What about the celibate?</p>
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